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	<title>Comments on: New Study Shows Antidepressant Medication Fails to Help Most Depressed Patients</title>
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	<description>by Dr. Andrew Gottlieb</description>
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		<title>By: Nance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you please speak to the antidepressants that are approved for treating chronic pain/fibromyalgia?  Cymbalta and Savella, SSNRI&#039;s, are both approved, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you please speak to the antidepressants that are approved for treating chronic pain/fibromyalgia?  Cymbalta and Savella, SSNRI&#8217;s, are both approved, I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gottlieb, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Gottlieb, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment.

It&#039;s not really old news, although I do like the Casablanca reference. The important take-away message is that anti-depressants probably DO work, but only on the most depressed patients. Given the side-effects of these medicines, we should reserve them for the most severely depressed patients, and using Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for less severe cases of depression, at least as the first course of treatment. 

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really old news, although I do like the Casablanca reference. The important take-away message is that anti-depressants probably DO work, but only on the most depressed patients. Given the side-effects of these medicines, we should reserve them for the most severely depressed patients, and using Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for less severe cases of depression, at least as the first course of treatment. </p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey dach md</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey dach md</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSRI Antidepressants No Better Than Placebo Says JAMA 

A study just published in JAMA Jan 5, reported that SSRI antidepressants are no better than placebo for most cases of depression. The authors reviewed 30 years of data and concluded that &quot;the benefit of antidepressant medication compared with placebo may be minimal or nonexistent in patients with mild or moderate symptoms&quot;.  

Of course, this is old news, and reminds me of the famous scene in 1942 film, Casablanca, where Captain Louis Renault declares, &quot; I am Shocked, Shocked ... to find gambling here....Here is your winnings... Oh thank you.&quot;  

For More:
http://jeffreydach.com/2010/01/21/jama-says-ssri-antidepressants-are-placebos-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx</description>
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<p>A study just published in JAMA Jan 5, reported that SSRI antidepressants are no better than placebo for most cases of depression. The authors reviewed 30 years of data and concluded that &#8220;the benefit of antidepressant medication compared with placebo may be minimal or nonexistent in patients with mild or moderate symptoms&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Of course, this is old news, and reminds me of the famous scene in 1942 film, Casablanca, where Captain Louis Renault declares, &#8221; I am Shocked, Shocked &#8230; to find gambling here&#8230;.Here is your winnings&#8230; Oh thank you.&#8221;  </p>
<p>For More:<br />
<a href="http://jeffreydach.com/2010/01/21/jama-says-ssri-antidepressants-are-placebos-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://jeffreydach.com/2010/01/21/jama-says-ssri-antidepressants-are-placebos-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gottlieb, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Gottlieb, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken,

Thanks for your comment. Let me reply to them in order to clarify some points. 

First of all, even though there is a lot of research suggesting that antidepressants do not reliably outperform placebos, for individual patients antidepressants may work well. My own clinical experience suggests that about 1/3 of depressed patients have a good response to antidepressants, 1/3 have a weak response, and the last 1/3 have little or no response. 

If they work for you, then I would encourage you to keep doing what you are doing. 

In terms of the the severity variable, the researchers used the scores on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, with the ranges I mentioned in the article. 

The scale is posted &lt;a href=&quot;healthnet.umassmed.edu/mhealth/HAMD.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, if you want to take a look at it. 

And certainly depression varies a lot, from day to day, but there is an underlying core to it, which I believe is measurable. 

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. Let me reply to them in order to clarify some points. </p>
<p>First of all, even though there is a lot of research suggesting that antidepressants do not reliably outperform placebos, for individual patients antidepressants may work well. My own clinical experience suggests that about 1/3 of depressed patients have a good response to antidepressants, 1/3 have a weak response, and the last 1/3 have little or no response. </p>
<p>If they work for you, then I would encourage you to keep doing what you are doing. </p>
<p>In terms of the the severity variable, the researchers used the scores on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, with the ranges I mentioned in the article. </p>
<p>The scale is posted <a href="healthnet.umassmed.edu/mhealth/HAMD.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>, if you want to take a look at it. </p>
<p>And certainly depression varies a lot, from day to day, but there is an underlying core to it, which I believe is measurable. </p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Budd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was prescribed anti-depressants 3 years ago and find them valuable in reducing my symptoms of anxiety and despair. I am also taking beta-blockers to reduce the anxiety side effects of the depression which I have suffered from for an extensive period of time. I find these medications effective and can detect their effectiveness.

I have never heard of a classification of depression based on &#039;very, severely or extremely.&#039; Nor do I know how patients could understand this comparative term, given that one&#039;s own depression is the only one we can experience directly. 

Also in my experience, the depression is a variable sensation. A transient or variable mood feeling, not a fixed sensation set at a fixed level. It varies from moment to moment. It can lift like a breath of fresh air and can fall on you like a steel door slamming. 

Regards

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was prescribed anti-depressants 3 years ago and find them valuable in reducing my symptoms of anxiety and despair. I am also taking beta-blockers to reduce the anxiety side effects of the depression which I have suffered from for an extensive period of time. I find these medications effective and can detect their effectiveness.</p>
<p>I have never heard of a classification of depression based on &#8216;very, severely or extremely.&#8217; Nor do I know how patients could understand this comparative term, given that one&#8217;s own depression is the only one we can experience directly. </p>
<p>Also in my experience, the depression is a variable sensation. A transient or variable mood feeling, not a fixed sensation set at a fixed level. It varies from moment to moment. It can lift like a breath of fresh air and can fall on you like a steel door slamming. </p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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